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PCRI Tech Automag Tips from Rob Hoover

The dredded 'Mag problems

This month I'll be covering several small things that seem to have no solution--but or course they do.

#1 - All new Automags come with a built in filter. This filter is screwed into the hose so that the filter element is facing the air source. On standard back bottle set up it will be in the hose end that is screwed into the bottle adapter. The thing you really have to watch with this filter is that it MUST face the air source. If it is installed backwards it will cause major shootdown problems. Also you need to make sure you do not over tighten the hose & elbows as you can crush the filter. This will cause all kinds of problems from the debris from the filter. This will cause pitting in the reg. seat and can in some cases hold open the regulator valve pin causing back venting through the regulator piston. As a bonus if you have a lot of debris, it can cause the permanent failure of the regulator piston to seal correctly. The passage in the filters are rather small. I would keep a few extras around--they are easily replaced and they don't cost a lot of money.

#2 - Next is the two-finger triggers. I will sum this up by saying that I see more people squeegeeing their guns with two-finger triggers than most single trigger people. There are several reason for this and I will try to explain them as best I can here.

Many of the two-finger triggers just are not made correctly. If you have to adjust the trigger rod out to get the gun to work, that should be a good indication that the trigger isn't any good. Adjusting the trigger rod out will screw up the timing of the gun just as messing around with the Autococker's 3-way will screw that gun up.

Wrong trigger: Many people have tried to use the Automag trigger in the 45 grip frames on their mags. This is wrong and will cause the failure of the clevis rod. You need to use the Automag trigger in the AGD grip frames (aluminum and carbon fiber ) and the trigger shoe for the 45 grip frames.

You can only shoot the gun so fast. The added leverage of the double finger trigger allows some people to shoot the gun so fast that the feed system can't keep up. If this happens you'll end up chopping balls. On the other side of that, you have people that are not making full trigger pulls and are short-stroking the trigger. Over all I would be careful with double finger triggers.

#3 - On/Off tops and Assemblies

This is going to be hard to explain to some extent but I will try.

The on/off top does not move up or down (minor machining tolerances can allow a very little movement but thats picking nits ). It will however spin. If you cut all the grooves in the back side of the top, all you are doing is allowing the o-rings to get small cuts and nicks from the machined grooves. The air does not pass the outside of the top--it goes through the middle hole and then out the slots into the air chamber.

The two tops I do like are the new Airgun Designs, and Vemon tops. I think the Vemon Wizard Valve may a little excessive though.

If you have not seen the new AGD on/off top, then you are missing something. Have you ever been cleaning your gun and reassembled everything and then have a shoot down problem? Have you spent hours working on the gun and without finding the problem? Then it hits you that the top might be in up side down ? You flip it over and BANG it's running like gang busters. Well the new ADG top is universal--you can't flip it. They also opened up the center a little and beveled the middle. I have been running one since Orlando and it has worked great.

I have a collection of tops and I have made a few myself. I have never really seen any improvement in recharge rates. I have had to remove most types of tops at some time from guns because they were causing problems like shootdown or odd trigger/velocity problem. I have never had a problem with the Wizard Valve or the stock on/off top. I have however had problems with just about EVERY other top out there.

It's the little things that make your gun tick. Be careful not to use inferior parts. That my time for this month.

(Rob Hoover is a certified Airgun Designs technician and frequently works the Airgun tech table at major events.)

Contact Rob Hoover at rhoover@capaccess.org


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